#office-hours - June 2021

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Public "Office Hours" are held every Wednesday at 11:30 PST via Zoom. It's open to everyone. Ask questions related to DevOps & Cloud and get answers!
👉️ https://cpco.io/slack-office-hours

Mohammed Yahya
Mohammed Yahyaover 5 years ago
A Cloud Guru has signed a definitive agreement to be acquired by Pluralsight
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@here office hours is starting in 30 minutes! Remember to post your questions here.
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sheldonhover 5 years ago
@Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) Wicked cool room to stream from. Love it.
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sheldonh
sheldonhover 5 years ago
Here's one for discussion if we have time. I've been thinking through "Cloud Native" development vs "Local Development -> To Cloud".

Question: If "adopting cloud first" accelerates by fully using AWS services solves much reengineering, then how/should you balance local containerization/development? IE, building an ECS Service, but then maintaining a docker compose stack for local development as well.

Examples:
- Using environment variables in containers vs loading directly from ssm, secrets manager
- Building for ECS but then reinventing with local docker stack + mysql instead of RDS.
- Using RDS, but then in local docker having postgresql/mysql
Hao Wang
Hao Wangover 5 years ago
I used Pluralsight a few years ago and it got good trainings on it
Hao Wang
Hao Wangover 5 years ago
seems some trainers got rich by teaching on it lol
sheldonh
sheldonhover 5 years ago
Amplify is similar to Netlify with being a more plug and play with less effort it seems
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Hao Wang
Hao Wangover 5 years ago
I love yaml, it is a language between English and Chinese lol
Hao Wang
Hao Wangover 5 years ago
that I can understand
Matt Gowie
Matt Gowieover 5 years ago(edited)
PR in question — https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-vendir/pull/64

👍️ s appreciated!
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Andrew Rothover 5 years ago
https://itnext.io/managing-kubernetes-secrets-securely-with-gitops-b8174b4f4d30 looks like a decent read about the SOPS stuff. Haven’t finished getting through it yet
Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)
Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)over 5 years ago
13:51:48 From Vlad Ionescu to Everyone : XML
14:01:07 From Patrick Joyce to Everyone : I want to use eco anywhere on Digital ocean droplets, it'll be like inception
14:01:47 From Vlad Ionescu to Everyone : Plaid does the same thing: they work on APIs so to apply to them you must do an API call
14:01:51 From Vlad Ionescu to Everyone : <https://plaid.com/careers/>
14:01:52 From Mohammed Yahya to Everyone : <https://registry.terraform.io/providers/playgroundtech/playgroundtech/latest/docs/resources/application?pollNotifications=true>
14:03:21 From Oliver Schoenborn to Everyone : Hilarious
14:05:33 From Hao Wang to Everyone : lol
14:06:00 From Hao Wang to Everyone : Starcraft: "show me the money"
14:07:01 From Hao Wang to Everyone : Seems not related but idk why I recalled it
14:07:07 From Stevan Arychuk to Everyone : Really waiting for this feature to come back to Leapp: <https://github.com/Noovolari/leapp/pull/90>
14:07:45 From Stevan Arychuk to Everyone : I generally really like Leapp, it's been a bit annoying for some of our Devs (we do have SSO setup)
14:08:31 From Mohammed Yahya to Everyone : Big fan also.
14:13:33 From Marc Slayton to Everyone : You mentioned ssm integration -- how about RDS IAM integration?  Anything there?
14:17:02 From Stevan Arychuk to Everyone : +1 to their dev team being super responsive
14:17:11 From tamsky to Everyone : How about avoiding credentials files alltogether - load  ssh-agent with TPM-stored certificates ?
14:27:44 From Sheldon Hull to Everyone : I had posted in office-hours about cloudfirst development approach. Would be nice to have some discussion on this after call if anyone has thoughts. It changes software design quite a bit
14:29:54 From Sheldon Hull to Everyone : you all are awesome
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Henry Course
Henry Courseover 5 years ago
ciao everyone, where's the best place to post contribution PRs?
Andy Miguel
Andy Miguelover 5 years ago
@here hey everyone! We're excited to announce a special edition of Office Hours this week!

We have @Yoni Leitersdorf (Indeni Cloudrail) joining us from Indeni. Yoni is a regular contributor and active member of our community and he's going to talk to us about their product Cloudrail and how it can help you identify misconfigurations in your IaC so you can achieve Continuous Compliance in your CI processes. Make sure you post your questions here 🤘
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erikover 5 years ago
@here office hours is starting in 30 minutes! Remember to post your questions here.
sheldonh
sheldonhover 5 years ago
Question: I'd like further discussion on what's a general good practice for dealing with local developer vs cloud first experience. See details on that thread. Posting a question right now to summarize for easier review

Threaded Discussion: https://sweetops.slack.com/archives/CHDR1EWNA/p1622659071049000
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sheldonhover 5 years ago
🎉 WOW. Never thought 1.0 would happen. That's fun
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Andy Miguelover 5 years ago
links from today's office hours:
• https://www.hashicorp.com/blog/announcing-hashicorp-terraform-1-0-general-availability
• Signup to Cloudrail: https://web.cloudrail.app/
• Sample TF test cases to test Cloudrail against: https://github.com/indeni/cloudrail-demo
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Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)
Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse)over 5 years ago
@redeux shared with me the following link
 https://www.terraform.io/docs/language/v1-compatibility-promises.html

In short, we aim to make upgrades between v1.x releases straightforward, requiring no changes to your configuration, no extra commands to run upgrade steps, and no changes to any automation you've set up around Terraform.

So basically, 1.x should be pretty smooth, but 1.x → 2.x might be 0.11 → 0.12 all over again 😃
Andy Miguel
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Andy Miguelover 5 years ago
@here we have another special edition of Office Hours next week Wednesday June 16th!

@Taylor Dolezal will be joining us! Taylor is a Senior Developer Advocate at HashiCorp and we'll be talking to him about an array of topics including: his role, what's it like to be a developer at HashiCorp, what we can expect next for Terraform, Nomad vs Kubernetes, security considerations with custom providers, and answering live Q&A from anyone who joins! Hope to see you there 🤘
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Steven Hopkinsover 5 years ago
@Taylor Dolezal, welcome brother
venkata
venkataover 5 years ago
Does anyone here run kubernetes in a FedRAMP environment? If so, what do you use for backups? I was looking at Valero but it doesn’t appear to have FIPS approved libraries.
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Andy Miguelover 5 years ago
links from today's session:
• https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/releases/tag/v1.1.0-alpha20210616
• HashiTalks Build: https://events.hashicorp.com/hashitalksbuild
• Community Office Hours: https://www.hashicorp.com/community/office-hours 
• HashiCast: https://hashicast.com (podcast by the HashiCorp Developer Advocate team)
• HashiCorp’s Learn site just got a GIANT update and it’d be great to have people check this out! https://learn.hashicorp.com/
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Matt Gowieover 5 years ago
Question for Taylor: Do you ever see HashiCorp creating a layer above Terraform to orchestrate many root modules / deal with that DAG? I believe a lot of us in the terraform community run into that problem once you’ve been in terraform for a while, so I’m interested if there is any thoughts there?
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Andrew Rothover 5 years ago
Question for Taylor: As someone who builds demos for a living, can you talk a little bit about your approach to maintaining demos long term? I’ve found that demos, both in OSS and in my own company, frequently get outdated and sometimes even cause more confusion due to people being led down a path that isn’t necessarily current any more.
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Taylor Dolezalover 5 years ago(edited)
Howdy, team! 👋 Thank you for such a fun session! I'm stoked to return in the future and wanted to address two questions we got asked that we didn't have time for on the call.

How difficult is it to perform a terraform import vs. building resources from scratch ?

Terraform import is helpful for importing the state of infrastructure that already exists, which can be helpful in onboarding your stack to your Terraform workflows. I think that's the best option when you aren't able to easily work with your infrastructure or application stack in its current form. If the stack is easily converted to HCL or infrastructure as code, then it might be better off to start from scratch. But the thing that counts most is if you have any important state that would be destroyed or lost if you start from scratch would be my concern!

Do you feel Kubernetes operators like the AWS Operator is a “threat” to Terraform, considering in theory we could use pure Kubernetes API to manage AWS resources?

Personally, I see this as an interesting and useful example of what the community wants to see, and how they want to structure their infrastructure as code. I don't think it's a threat so much as it is a good example for helping shape projects like the Terraform Cloud Operator for Kubernetes (https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-k8s)
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managedkaos
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Sharing for office hours as well as in #aws….
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Vlad Ionescu (he/him)
Vlad Ionescu (he/him)over 5 years ago
This might help with the community management too: “I swear I am not deleting any outputs” https://github.blog/changelog/2021-06-23-issues-forms-beta-for-public-repositories/
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David Hawthorneover 5 years ago
Azure environment here - that'd be great! Azure publishes their own reference architectures for cloud here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/architecture/. I may be out of my element here though as I'm not leveraging Terraform (yet).
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Thayne Trevenenover 5 years ago
I have asked this in #packer as well, but I think it would make a good topic to discuss via office hours. Hey Packer Peeps, I have been using packer for a year at an old company and it worked flawlessly however I am at a new company with restrictions on AWS security groups and any SG created with wide open access is automagically deleted. Therefore when packer try's to do anything via ssh over port 22 and the temp SG [0.0.0.0\0] packer times out waiting for ssh access. Does anyone know of a way to specify something other than [0.0.0.0\0] in the packer file? (The things we should discuss imho, is how to use terraform to set up blocking 0.0.0.0\0 and then the fix for packer of course seeing as my google fu is failing me today.)
Joaquin Menchaca
Joaquin Menchacaover 5 years ago
I came across this tool, looks way way way cool, GitHub actions locally.

https://github.com/nektos/act
Andrea Cavagna
Andrea Cavagnaover 5 years ago
Hi everyone! Since a month ago a great discussion about Leapp has started in this community, I want to announce that today we are releasing a new version of the App, with a mayor update: support to AWS Named-profiles, has requested by @Jeremy G :
Go check it out! And let me know what you think, any feedback is appreciated:
https://twitter.com/a_cava94/status/1410219443846799360
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Jeff Lanza
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Question: Has anyone worked with declarative config for AWS Control Tower? The official TF provider for AWS has resources for the various components (Config, Organizations, Security Hub, etc.) but I don't see anything listed for Control Tower itself. TL;DR, I'm looking for a way to use Terraform to bootstrap a deployment of AWS Control Tower.
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Charles Sperbeckover 5 years ago
New to CloudPosse, we are looking to utilize your open-source modules and provide a simplified format for developers to use using the Terraform CDK with TypeScript. Didn't know if there was any thoughts or advice on using your modules with the CDK

example:
new Instance("my-instance",{});
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managedkaosover 5 years ago
I have a question about Customer Managed KMS Keys if there is time…
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